Matt Taibbi & Katie Halper's Useful Idiots with Daniel Ellsberg

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On the first independent "Useful Idiots" episode, Matt and Katie interview legendary whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg ( who made history and changed history when he released the Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg talks about the nuclear threat nobody seems worried about, what people don't realize about nuclear weapons, his book "The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner," the likely end of the world and how he, despite it all, remains hopeful.

But before any of that, Matt and Katie talk about Kyrsten Sinema, cow therapy, Russian serial killers, and Joe's stoned moments.

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